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2019-10-27

美軍盼晶片在地生產 台積電評估赴美設新廠 自由 20191027


【縛雞之見】
舊廠?
TSMC掌控的是軍民兩用技術。

TSMC, the Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company, is a strategic corporation to Taiwan, the U.S. among others in the military field. The Pentagon sees it as one of the “trusted” factories of the U.S.

However, TSMC is good at the civil/military chip manufacturing technologies. That implies the U.S. still hold the high-end military chip technology.  
The report wrote, "the Defense Department would invest up to $170 million to increase its production and enhance technologies, such as the ability to produce chips that can withstand radiation in space."

The move, seeking the possibility to produce chips in the back yard, is crucial to the U.S. during the time of hot war.

To do so, the U.S. has to introduce a new system to keep the technology safe. It must be based on the "Zero-Trust" philosophy, besides the traditional background check, etc.

It is necessary to produce sensitive chips in the U.S. The U.S. is thinking of the consequence the day China invades Taiwan.

Dr. Liu of TSMC dismissed the above fears about Taiwan’s continued autonomy. It is beyond our imagination that TSMC is close related to Taiwan's democracy and autonomy.


美軍盼晶片在地生產 台積電評估赴美設新廠    自由 20191027
紐約時報二十五日報導,美國國防部官員最近與科技產業高層私下會談,促其在美國成立半導體新生產線,以確保維持美國軍事優勢所需的先進晶片供應穩定。美國對國外生產的晶片依賴加劇,尤其是對台灣。台積電董事長劉德音證實,近期曾與美國商務部討論在美設立新廠的可能性,但恐需大幅補貼,他說,「一切取決我們何時能縮小成本差距」。

美方憂台灣供應鏈被斷鏈
知情人士指出,過去數月香港的動盪讓美國相關產業高層與國防部官員憂心,局勢演變恐迫使台灣供應鏈受限制或被切斷。此外,美國許多本土晶片生產線早已移往海外,引發海外政治與軍事危機恐干擾晶片供應的疑慮,而因特定零組件的重要性致使相關疑慮有增無減,比如F-35戰鬥機採用的可編程晶片至關重要,而該晶片即是由矽谷公司「賽靈思」(Xilinx)公司設計,並在台灣代工生產

報導說,攸關5G通信能力的無線基頻處理器需使用先進製程晶片,而這是台積電的關鍵技術(原文為has become a key selling point of TSMC。美國國防部研究暨兵工副次長波特(Lisa Porter)在七月一場活動上強調,「美國國防部無法承擔這些能力遭阻斷」,二十三日她在洛杉磯的一場科技會議上重申,確保基礎零組件與軟體供應鏈的安全是國防部科技產業必須合作的「重大」(macro)議題

報導指出,台積電在微縮晶片技術的領先持續贏得蘋果、高通與輝達等的訂單,加上中國逐漸發展成晶片創新國,中國設計者已開發出用於敏感設備,比如超級電腦的晶片,許多設計業者,包括華為,也都仰賴台積電代工

劉德音表示,若在美國設廠的財務挑戰有解,新廠將比台灣廠規模小,且將坐落於華盛頓州卡馬斯市的舊廠附近。


Pentagon, With an Eye on China, Pushes for Help From American Tech   NYT 20191024
Talks over how U.S. companies can ensure future supplies of advanced computer chips have taken on more urgency.

SAN FRANCISCO — Pentagon officials have been holding private discussions with tech industry executives to wrestle with a key question: how to ensure future supplies of the advanced computer chips needed to retain America’s military edge.

The talks, some of which predate the Trump administration, recently took on an increased urgency, according to people who were involved or briefed on the discussions.  Pentagon officials encouraged chip executives to consider new production lines for semiconductors in the United States, said the people, who declined to be identified because the talks were confidential.

The discussions are being driven by the Pentagon’s increased dependence on chips made abroad, especially in Taiwan, as well as recent tensions with China, these people said.

One chip maker, the Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company, better known as TSMC, plays a particularly crucial role producing commercial chips that also have applications for aircraft, satellites, drones and wireless communications.  And because of unrest over the past few months in the semiautonomous Chinese territory of Hong Kong, some Pentagon officials and chip executives have wondered about situations that could force suppliers in Taiwan to limit or cut off silicon shipments, the people said.

Mark Liu, the chairman of TSMC, said he had recently discussed options for a new factory in the United States with the Commerce Department.  The stumbling block was money; major subsidies would be required, he said, as it is more expensive to operate in America than Taiwan.

It is all up to when we can close the cost gap,” he said in an interview.

The conversations are a sign of how federal agencies are grappling with a deep-rooted technology conundrum.  The United States has long fielded the most advanced weaponry by exploiting electronic components once exclusively produced in the country.  Chips help tanks, aircraft, rockets and ships navigate, communicate with one another and engage enemy targets.

But domestic production lines of many chips have long since moved overseas, raising questions about supply interruptions in the event of political or military crises abroad.  Those fears have been exacerbated by the increasing importance of particular components — such as programmable chips that figure prominently in the F-35 fighter jet, which are designed by the Silicon Valley company Xilinx and mainly fabricated in Taiwan.

Some chips, such as the wireless baseband processors needed for new 5G communications abilities that Pentagon officials covet, require advanced manufacturing technology that has become a key selling point of TSMC.

We in the Defense Department cannot afford to be shut out of all of those capabilities,” said Lisa Porter, deputy under secretary for research and engineering, in remarks at an event in July that were later widely circulated among chip makers.

Dr. Porter, at a technology event in Los Angeles on Wednesday, said secure supply chains for both essential components and software were a “macro” issue that the Pentagon and the tech industry had to collaborate on.  She declined to discuss specific efforts to bolster American chip production.  A Defense Department spokesman also declined to comment.

In another sign of action, Skywater Technology, a Minnesota chip manufacturing service, said this week that the Defense Department would invest up to $170 million to increase its production and enhance technologies, such as the ability to produce chips that can withstand radiation in space.

The Skywater investment illustrates how the Pentagon is also wrestling with how to upgrade aging technology at domestic companies that make small volumes of classified chips tailored for the military.  Such “trusted” factories, as they are called, operate under Pentagon rules aimed at preventing sabotage or data theft.

Dr. Porter and other Pentagon officials have pushed for new technical safeguards besides guards and employee background checks to keep sensitive chip designs secure, a strategy that would help the Defense Department use more advanced commercial factories.  She called the idea a “zero-trust” philosophy.

TSMC, which dominates the build-to-order services called foundries, recently took the lead from Intel in shrinking chip circuitry to give chips greater capability.  Its production edge is one reason the company has continued to win business from big American chip designers such as Apple, Qualcomm and Nvidia, whose chips have become increasingly important for defense as well as civilian applications.

The United States remains the leading supplier and innovator in most chip technologies, including the processors that Intel sells for nearly all personal computers and server systems.  But the Pentagon’s research arm — DARPA, for the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency — has been trying since 2017 to spur chip innovations under a $1.5 billion Electronics Resurgence Initiative.

Its goals include finding alternatives to silicon for manufacturing and packaging small “chiplets” together instead of making big monolithic chips.

We have vulnerabilities we really need to address, but we are still the dominant producer of electronics in the world,” said Mark Rosker, the director of DARPA’s microsystems technology office.  He said questions about the American semiconductor industry called for “a graceful and considered kind of panic.”

Much of the recent urgency stems from China’s growing stature as a chip innovator. Designers there have developed chips for sensitive applications such as supercomputers.  Many of the designers — including Huawei, a key target of the Trump administration in the trade war — also rely on TSMC for manufacturing.

Another impetus for action stems from a recent pullback by GlobalFoundries.  The chip maker, owned by investors in Abu Dhabi, has spent around $12 billion on a sophisticated factory in Malta, N.Y.  But it announced last year that it would stop trying to create smaller circuitry than that on its existing production processes.

GlobalFoundries now produces classified chips under the trusted foundry rules in two former IBM factories it took over in 2015.  Company executives believe the technology in its Malta facility remains advanced enough to also serve military needs for years, and it is negotiating with officials to handle future classified work through proposed modifications to the government’s trusted foundry regulations.  It recently filed a lawsuit accusing TSMC of patent infringement, an action that it said was aimed partly at protecting the American manufacturing base.

The company, which announced plans for a $10 billion factory in China in 2017, is also rethinking that project as the promised demand from customers there now seems uncertain, said Thomas Caufield, the chief executive of GlobalFoundries.

Influencing the chip industry used to be easier when the Defense Department accounted for a major portion of chip sales.  Now defense applications are dwarfed by civilian uses, such as smartphones and personal computers.  More of the Pentagon’s budget now goes to chips like memory and processors whose designs are shaped by commercial needs.

At a recent panel of semiconductor industry veterans in Silicon Valley, the concern about an overreliance on TSMC was evident.

What will happen when China makes its drive toward Taiwan? What will happen to TSMC?” asked Diane Bryant, a former Intel executive who is now a technology investor. “What is our way out of this pickle?”

The panelists suggested that the federal government should subsidize more domestic chip production.  But advanced commercial factories can cost as much as $15 billion, plus the additional recurring costs to run, staff and supply such facilities.

It’s a big dilemma,” said Handel Jones, a semiconductor consultant with International Business Strategies.  “Our assessment was you have to spend big money.”

Dr. Liu of TSMC dismissed fears about Taiwan’s continued autonomy.  He said he was weighing the pros and cons of a new American factory, though it was too early for a decision.  If the financial challenges are overcome, he said, any new facility is likely to be smaller than TSMC’s massive plants in Taiwan and built near a factory it operates in Camas, Wash.

We want to do what makes the best sense for our customers to help them to be competitive, and also deal with national-security concerns,” Dr. Liu said.

9 則留言:

  1. (macro)議題,不知道要如何去理解。

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  2. 既然美軍有此顧慮,就更不應該移廠去美國,而是留在台灣成為牽制美國必須介入台灣問題的籌碼。

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    1. 這是你的想法;以美國自己為本位的思考就不以為然了。甚至也可能美國整個就搬回去了,

      因為以台灣的複雜內容,終有一日有可能被顛覆。

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  3. 台積電的強項是產能效益領先全球,如果搬去美國,這個優勢會被削弱許多,光是人才薪資、建廠成本就會倍增。台灣是相對有價格優勢,也有人才技術的國家,美國為了戰備需求想移一些回去,但是平時要省國防預算,還是靠台灣的台積電才是好選擇。

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  4. TSMC代工並且嚴守客戶技術機密的信譽已經確立。
    在美國設廠也象徵我們的半導體製程已經打入美國軍工體系,我贊成在不影響公司獲利、長期發展與壯大台灣本地的情況下在美國設廠。
    確保台灣安全的,不是只有設廠在哪邊的問題,還包括了技術的交流與輸入。TSMC如果能有美國軍工為後盾,日後取得技術也將更容易、更得到美國的信賴。美國對於抓在台匪諜這件事,將會更加重視。
    只在台灣設廠又沒有足夠的抗炸能力,與中國對抗的路上,會讓我們更投鼠忌器、更畏戰。
    當初的半導體技術就是美國給的。美國不會因為設廠在台灣就不敢撤,真的想撒手,美國只要TSMC員工一人發十張美簽讓你帶全家去美國,很容易就帶走了。

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  5. 舊廠?WaferTech
    5509 NW Parker St, Camas, WA 98607

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  6. 我是贊成可以在美設廠,最簡單的理由就是分散風險
    避免台灣廠因為天災人禍導致全球性的斷貨.

    美廠無法取代台廠,整體成本也比較高,因此適合以特約的方式供應美國的特許工業.(提高報價來抵消高營運成本的問題)
    要是台廠遭到損害停產時,也能保證最關鍵的晶片能夠持續供應給美國為首的"同盟國".

    台積電的員工可以全部發綠卡當僑民移去美國,可是產線重建需要好幾年.
    要是台灣掉了,Chinazi會給美國多少時間重建產線?
    還是拼美國軍工業的關鍵晶片後勤斷料時,直接一口氣橫掃東亞? 把美國在太平洋上的影響力趕回西半球?

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    1. 當然啦,美國把TSMC的人力全數抽走,純屬戰時非常不得已的特殊情況。
      沒有必要不可能這麼做,走到了那一步,不這麼做都不行。
      美國晶片產線重建是次要的,不讓中國從這場戰爭的戰果中的晶片技術大進補,才是更加主要的目的。

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    2. 這很像美國在1945年衝進德國時,不希望蘇聯從德國科學家手上技術大進補,所以對德國科學家特赦和大發綠卡.
      但產線重建的缺料時期,可能會導致"高科技彈藥"因此斷料,這是不能小看的危險.
      各種高科技武器載台,他們身上的高科技裝備和晶片多半是一次性使用或耐久財(像CPU這種耗損不快的關鍵零組件),缺料時可以從殺肉機上面挖,問題比較小.
      但高科技彈藥是耗損品,沒有高科技晶片"賠葬"的話,這些武器的打擊效率會大打折扣甚至癱瘓, 最後要拿上一代彈藥來投的話,作戰效率降低,風險提高,傷亡增加的話場面就很難看了.

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